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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Feb 17, 2009 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

To date, he's the only Hall of Fame caliber player that has admitted using.
Which brings up another topic of conversation.
Does anybody who used steriods automatically get banished from the HOF?

And if they do decide to allow players who used steroids, then why not let in Pete Rose?

How do you decide which form of cheating is worse?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 17, 2009 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Make a second facility, The Hall of Fame*

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 17, 2009 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

" Make a second facility, The Hall of Fame*"

Then that has to include every white player ( Babe Ruth for example ) who played before the league wan integrated.

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Feb 17, 2009 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Joe,
No doubt charlie hustle belongs in the Hall.
Alex's Best year wasin Seattle and again in 2007.
But he did hit what? 161 homers in the 3 years
he admits to shooting up. Who's to say he stay's healthy
enough to break the hr record?

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Feb 17, 2009 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

That's true. Years back I was pretty sure Griffey Jr. had the best shot at breaking Hank's record, and then his body started to fall apart.
I've heard that steroids added an average of 10 to 12 home runs a year to a player.
If you added an average of 10 hr's a year to Hank Aaron's totals, he would have had 995 home runs.

I wonder what Ted Williams batting average could have been if he was juiced. .450? .475?

The funniest thing I've heard today was on the radio. They were posing the question, what would you ask A-Rod if you were at the press conference.
Best question: A-Rod when did steroids start affecting your eye sight? Was it in October or when you left your wife for Madonna?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 17, 2009 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

i tend to be of the philosophy that if players were "juicing" prior to it being against the rules, they should be considered for the Hall. I realize there are many arguements against this. But improvements in equipment, conditioning, and computerized swing/pitch "teaching" has also increased the abilities of players. Any juicing after it was a "no-no" should be an automatic ban.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Feb 18, 2009 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

As far as I know, and please let me know if I'm wrong....

Contolled substances have been against baseball's rules since 1971.

The anabolic steroids act of 1990, which took effect in November 1990, made certain steroids schedule 3 controlled substances.

In 2004 that act was ammended (took effect January 2005) to include prohormones such as androstenedione (the stuff in McGwire's locker).

Even though the AMA and experts from the FDA, DEA and the National Institute on drug abuse were all oppossed to the act in 1990 & the ammendment in 2004 congress passed it anyways.

Amphetamines have been a schedule 2 controlled substance since 1971 and are therefore against MLB rules. The Feds consider them to be more harmful. Which doesn't mean much(Cannabis is schedule 1). Hank Aaron has admitted to using them (along with 95% of the rest of baseball). Baseball started testing for this in 2006.

Prior to testing these substances were within the rules if you had a prescription.

HGH on the other hand isn't a controlled substance and is legal to possess. It wasn't banned by baseball until 2005. Which makes Pettite's admitted use completely within the rules.

I believe the effect of steroids on baseball have been greatly exaggerated. There were many other contributing factors. Including:

A change in the baseball in 1993 that when tested with past baseballs bounces a full 1/3 higher when dropped from the same distance.

The shrinking of the strike zone to one the size of a postage stamp from about 1993-2004.

The introduction of weight lifting in general to mlb, which in the past was thought to make you "to stiff to swing."

An influx of new hitter friendly stadiums.

Just my 2 cents

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Feb 18, 2009 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

i agree with your two cents :)

good post sparky - informative with stuff i had forgotten or was unaware of - thanks

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Feb 17, 2009 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Have to agree with you here Dire,
There were certain "things" that were ok to do at the time.
Then it became banned. But, Here's my take on steriods.
Ball players have been doing things for years to give them an edge. And as certain substances became banned and the testing began to be more frequent, The same people who make the steriods are the same people who develope the test.
The clear? The rub? What ever. It's like the same people
who sell radar detectors for your car also make the radar guns for the police. Everytime a better radar gun comes along, They make a better radar dectector.

And to think, The Babe did it with beer and hot dogs?

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Feb 17, 2009 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Don't forget Dock Ellis' no-hitter on LSD.
But I guess some could argue that a "performance enhancing substance".I know it's enhanced many a performance that I've attended.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Feb 18, 2009 1:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Ya think!

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Feb 17, 2009 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

Nice call MD,
LOL, His girl say's, oh by the way, Your pitching today!

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Feb 18, 2009 5:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

"And to think, The Babe did it with beer and hot dogs?"

And a segregated league

And a rule change in 1920 outlawing the spitter & the scuff ball that took pitchers 20 years to catch up with

And the introduction of a new baseball in 1921 that allowed a huge increase in offensive numbers

And the moving in of fences around the league to increase homeruns

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 17, 2009 5:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A-rod, A-fraud or A-roid....non dead

" And if they do decide to allow players who used steroids, then why not let in Pete Rose?"

Pete Rose SHOULD be in the Hall of Fame imo. His record proves the guy wasn't throwing games. If a racist piece of dirt like Ty Cobb can be in there based on his career rather than his character, what's there to argue about?

IMO - the league is to blame for most of this. They want ratings records results. The fact that they were turning a blind eye pretty much give tacit approval imo.